problems connecting with my mother

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problems connecting with my mother

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hey scarleteen, it's cami :)

i've been having some problems with mom lately and need some advice. (i know i have been posting a lot .. but i have never found a space like scarleteen before and i prefer it much more to reddit. i love the work you all do.)

this is a longer post... my mom and i have always had a very turbulent relationship—i often think she's the person that understands me best, until there are times she says things that make me think she doesn't at all.

a lot of the problems in my mental health history are inherited from my mom and so she knows intimately how to deal with them and speak to me in a way that reaches me.* a lot of times she takes a "tough love" approach—which has made me uncomfortable and feel unloved in the past but is also the only thing that will encourage me to get things done or improve myself.

i think part of the reason i inherited those problems from her in the first place though is because of that same tough love approach. she treats my issues very flippantly unless they are life threatening. she would often tell me that in spite of my problems, the world would continue to turn, and that my issues truly are so small in the scope of things. i don't think this is necessarily an unhelpful sentiment, because it has helped me to calm myself down in the past, but it's the sort of thing i need to be worded delicately for it to get through.

her communication style made me harbor a lot of resentment for her in my teenage years because her words failed to inspire me, and i instead wasted most of that time being confused, frustrated and ping-ponging between wanting to distance myself from my mom / wanting to be close with her more than anything in the world. it has gotten a lot better since i turned 18 but there's a lot of residual tension and anxiety that can set either of us off.

*i know that past paragraph might seem contradictory, because i said earlier that she knows how to reach me. the truth is that my receptiveness to what she says is a gamble, and so is the way she expresses herself to me. i guess we are similar in that regard. just a couple changes to how she words things can make a world of a difference to me. i am autistic and take advice extremely literally, so i think carelessly worded advice is unhelpful. she is also prone to name calling and comparing me to other people which can make me less receptive too.

i know she loves me, and she is trying to help me the way she knows how. my mother received very little support growing up, and i'm grateful for what she's given me and the lessons she's taught, because it's what she would have wanted from the adults around her. i think we fail to see eye to eye so much because of a generational difference. not to say people her age (and even older) are incapable of learning different communication styles and connecting with younger people, but she has a lot in common with other people in her age bracket, you know what i mean?

i have tried to reach out to her about how she makes me feel, but it is difficult. my mom wants me to be more open with her, but it feels like she uses my emotions against me (she knows i am a sensitive person and that i take things literally, and she likes to say things while feigning sincerity to get an emotional reaction from me, even in mundane settings just because she thinks it's funny—it kind of reminds me what my bullies in school used to do). i do want to be open with my mom, but sometimes she dismisses me, because she thinks i talk too much like a therapist and it makes her uncomfortable. i guess i will give her that one because i don't think she's wrong. i suspect she also thinks it is disingenuous on my part, because she has called me a disingenuous person before.

i tried to be vulnerable with her a week or so ago. looking back, i think i know better now. i had just come out of watching "everything everywhere all at once", and i had tears streaming down my face because i found the movie very impactful (it is actually where the quote in my signature is from). i had begged my mom to see the movie because it said everything i wanted to say to my mother in ways i apparently couldn't communicate effectively to her.

(EEAAO is a film that centers on the relationship between a mother, evelyn, and her daughter, joy, in a chinese-american immigrant family. i identified very deeply with joy and i saw my mother in evelyn, especially being from a latin american immigrant family myself.)

she seemed to be very shocked to see me in that state and agreed to watch it, but later told me it was unavailable on streaming services. i know for a fact it's on netflix, but maybe it's region locked. i don't think she'd lie about that, but she seemed disinterested in the premise of the film anyway.

a few days later on the way to the grocery store, it was the first day of my period and i took midol (which i had kept in my bag for the past few days, because i can tell when my period is coming) in the car because i had forgotten to before we left and i didn't want to keep my mom waiting. my mother asked why i didn't just take them at home and i explained. she suggested i liked it when people could see me taking pills, and that keeping them in my bag was evidence of that. i found this very shocking, especially given my medical history, and the fact she knew i felt shame around taking medication. i added that i felt comfortable taking pills around her because she was my mother, and that i thought it was a cruel thing for her to say. i also added that taking painkillers in front of other people is very different from taking prescription meds. after a long pause she said that she just assumed because it aligned with my personality, that i was an attention seeker and histrionic. she had never called me those things before, and i never thought she perceived me in that way. i remember getting emotional and lashing out at her, but she ignored me—i think i seemed to end up proving her point to her, and that just frustrated me even more.

we arrived and i got out of the car to find a cart while she parked; in that time i was stewing in my anger, and realized i hadn't been that mad at her for a long time. i felt like our relationship had been very good up to that point and i didn't want to ruin it. so i told her that i didn't want to be angry at her. she told me i didn't have to be angry at her. i tried to stay calm and asked if she was mad at me. she shrugged and said no completely indifferently. i brought up the movie again to change the subject and talked a little more about what it was about, and urged her again to see it. she said she wanted to watch it even less. (i think her behavior here is an extension of the "tough love" approach she has—she stonewalls me when i'm reaching out for free acceptance or validation, and i confess this was one of those times).

while we were shopping i was thinking very hard. i thought about grey rocking, which is what my brother started doing with my mom several years ago. his relationship with mom is so small because of it, but when i look at him and what he's doing, he seems so free. i had avoided that strategy for a really long time because 1. fighting with mom was like a bad habit i couldn't give up, and was another way of expressing myself to her in a messed up way? and 2. i didn't want to sacrifice my relationship with mom. but spite was what made me eventually take the plunge. i've started employing it ever since that last conversation and... i feel like i have a newfound confidence when talking to mom. i know spite is not a sustainable motivator, though, and so i tried to search my feelings. for the first day it really felt like i was sticking it to mom, but now (day 3) it's different. i just feel at ease. like if i answer the bare minimum of her questions, and keep everything else to myself, i can just breathe. i don't even feel scared that she'd feel like i'm disrespecting or ignoring her in any way, which is one of the things that kept me from trying out grey rocking. she hasn't pointed out my change in behavior to me yet, but again it's only the third day.

i'm a little worried and scared of how peaceful grey rocking has made me feel at last, because i really do want a close relationship with my mom. i would love to talk openly with her about my hobbies and passions, but it feels like we will never understand each other at this rate. i have a video she made me of when i was a baby. she took care of me in it and i could feel the love in everything she was doing and it makes me cry every time i watch it. overall she makes me happy and i love her and the situation makes me a little sad, but it's hard to ignore how excited i am to be by myself again. i still can't shake the guilt that i'm doing something unfair to her though, and that i'm sacrificing my most important relationship and that i will regret this somehow. is a middle ground achievable here? i've thought of therapy together, but my mom doesn't like therapists and doesn't think it's necessary for us—and i think if i bring her up, she'll take it as me trying to say there's something wrong with her. is there something else i'm missing that can help our relationship?

thank you all very much for reading
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Re: problems connecting with my mother

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Hey Cami :)

I really feel for you here; it sounds like you love your mom and value a close relationship with her, but I also hear you about the hurtful things she says and the dismissiveness in response to your vulnerability. It sounds like you have a deep appreciation for her experiences, why she might react the way she does, and how you’re connected to each other. It’s a deep connection that is a bit painful and difficult right now.

I do think there could be a middle ground like you’re suggesting, but I also want to offer that it is possible to build and sustain a relationship with closeness while maintaining your space and emotional boundaries. I hear your concern about grey rocking, that it feels cold and opposite to a close relationship. I think it’s okay to make the personal decision to react neutrally in response to manipulation or unhealthy behavior; it may seem cold or uncaring to the person it’s impacting, but you are absolutely allowed to react neutrally or not at all in the face of that sort of behavior. Though, if you want to try and maintain closeness, it could help to set boundaries and limits with her about the comments she makes. For example, with the comment she made about the pills, you could grey rock or neutrally respond, or you could set a limit for next time. Know what I mean?

I also hear you that you’re trying to connect with her more and she’s not really meeting you there. I can totally appreciate wanting to share the movie with her. What an amazing movie by the way, and I love the quote you chose for your signature. Do you think she’d watch it with you if you asked her to watch it with you together, instead of on her own?

I was wondering too, what it might be like to show her the video you mentioned from your childhood. It sounds like that video really impacts you and brings you back to what you enjoy about your relationship with her. Maybe it could be something to connect on?
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Re: problems connecting with my mother

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Hi Cami! I've been keeping up with your conversation with Kier, and I'd like to spare my 2 cents as someone raised in a non-American family myself.

It seems like as much as her behaviors have upset you in the past, you've also demonstrated a lot of compassion towards your mom's upbringing. While her being raised with "tough love" could explain her communication style, you're highly aware of how it isn't the healthiest method and how it is hurting you. After all, relationships of all kind is a group project; all parties involved, ideally, should be able to express their thoughts and feelings respectfully when conflict arises.

I agree with Kier; I feel like a middle ground is possible, and that grey rocking may be necessary to protect your peace, especially when practiced with care. In the meantime, it might be helpful to dig deeper on how your relationship with your mom has affected you. For instance, what would you lose if the relationship between the two of you grew distant?

As for the movie, I feel like bringing it up again in the foreseeable future may not be the best idea, especially since your mom hasn't been the most enthusiastic about it. On the other hand, the video from your childhood might incite a more positive conversation. But ultimately, the choice is in your hands.

I hope this is helpful! ^^
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Re: problems connecting with my mother

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hello again, kier and char! please don't think i forgot this thread. i wanted to come back to it at the "right time" — that is, when i felt like i had applied your advice properly. maybe i should have given an update a little sooner though!

the truth is, not much has changed. i think it has gotten a liiiittle better gradually? i will need more time to see. i will provide more information but i want to respond carefully first to kier's reply.

responding to her neutrally has been very helpful! in a perfect world, i'd be able to take her comments in stride and laugh with them, or not think twice about them which is what my mom expects me to do. this isn't really possible for me though, because she's great at getting me where it hurts. so it's either grey rocking or setting boundaries, as kier suggested.
Though, if you want to try and maintain closeness, it could help to set boundaries and limits with her about the comments she makes.
this is not a bad suggestion at all, but i was apprehensive about setting boundaries, because she ... is a bit dismissive of those too.

as a result of me trying to set boundaries, she thinks of me as a very sensitive and impressionable person. this isn't exactly a wrong assessment and i admit i've been unhelpful to her in the past at times when she meant well, because my sensitivity is an insecurity of mine. for example, she tends to walk on eggshells about some topics that i wish she would be more open to me about, because she thinks i am vulnerable to them affecting me; to the point where she kept my aunt's true cause of death from me for a few years because she thought it might "give me ideas". this made me really upset and it confused her, i think she expected me to be grateful.

conversely, sometimes she uses those boundaries against me to make me feel like i'm an overly delicate person and hard to deal with, but that's really only on bad days.

it's a big point of tension for us because she seems to try to be overly considerate when it's unnecessary and callous where it hurts. i think she might think of me as "hot and cold" because of it. i understand that some of this is conjecture, and i've tried to communicate with her about this to understand her better, but she still insists that i need to stop overthinking things, or responds to me hurtfully in some way and confuses me further.

i did figure out kind of a life hack for it though. my mom's pet peeve is when anybody becomes "overly formal" when trying to be real with her, she thinks it is disingenuous. she has told me her idea of setting a boundary is saying "ew, gross, don't show me that" when someone sends her a picture she doesn't like, but i'm the type who goes, "hey, this picture makes me uncomfortable" because i think my generation might be used to interpreting the former statement more lightheartedly. if i adopt a more casual tone, though, i can kind of give her an idea of what makes me squirm so she cuts it out without her getting uncomfortable. it doesn't work yet for the stuff that annoys me, though, because if i act playfully annoyed she keeps doing it. she's admitted to me that she likes annoying me on purpose. power to her i guess, because she's getting the reaction she wants, and sometimes i do find it funny. but it sucks when it actually hurts.

your reply was still really helpful, kier. it was very freeing to know i wasn't being cruel by what i now understand is refusing to give her "ammo". my mom is a good person and i'm even cringing a bit writing it down but that's about how i would describe it.
Do you think she’d watch it with you if you asked her to watch it with you together, instead of on her own?
ahhh, i did bring this up to her, but she pretty much said outright she was not interested in watching "that crappy movie", i think i did made a mistake by asking several times. i haven't brought it up to her since. sorry mom.

the home video was helpful, though. she was surprised i kept it, actually. it was really nice to watch it with her. she seemed pretty serene watching it even though i was tearing up, but i assume she has seen it a bunch of times.

now for char's reply, which i also found helpful. i have reflected on the following question:
For instance, what would you lose if the relationship between the two of you grew distant?
and... i guess this sounds cheesy, but my mom, you know? not the "mother unit of my family", but firstname lastname. she is a really valuable person in my life. i really look up to her. she has helped me through everything, even when i didn't want her help. she's embodied a lot of things i respect in the people in my life, and i wish i was more like her. there are times when i think i want nothing to do with her, but i always go looking for her again.

i guess more practically, it'd weaken the connection i have to my mother's side of the family, which i prefer over my dad's side. and i'd technically be able to learn to be an adult on my own, but i like having my mom there. i don't know how to explain it but it feels unfair not having her be there to watch me leave the nest, i think because of everything she has done for me.

this is soooo loooong i will leave it here for now. sorry. thank you both very much for your replies :)
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Re: problems connecting with my mother

Unread post by KierC »

Hey Cami! So glad to hear from you, and no worries at all! You are always welcome to take whatever time you need to respond. We’ll be here whenever you’d like to talk. I’ll also let Char know that you responded to their reply too. :)

I’m sorry to hear that things haven’t changed much, but I am glad for the updates and also really glad to see that you’ve discovered some more ways to think about and approach this that might ease the stress of your relationship as it is today. Choosing to respond neutrally can be really helpful to protect your peace as Char said too, and it sounds like you also discovered a source of tension to address, that your communication of boundaries looks different. I was really struck reading your observation that when your mom expresses boundaries, she tends to say “don’t do this” and you tend to express boundaries by saying how it impacts you, It seems like that is a deeper source of tension or conflict. Did I understand you correctly there?

With boundary-setting in general, while we can’t control how other people respond or hold our boundaries, we can choose how we protect our boundaries and react to any dismissal of those boundaries. So, when your mom dismisses you or makes comments that you do not like, part of the boundary you set can be that you’ll walk away or that you’ll defend yourself (or however you’d like to protect your boundaries). I also find it helpful to frame boundaries like these as less of “don’t do this” and more of “if you do this, this is how I will respond.” That response can look like walking away, ending or shifting the conversation, or restating the boundary. How does that sound to you?

I’m also so sorry to hear about your aunt, and that your mom kept the cause of death from you. That is really upsetting to experience, and I’m sorry that this happened. If you want to talk more about that part, or if you’d like any support surrounding grief, we’ve got your back. <3

How was the experience of watching the video with your mom for you? It sounds like she was calm during the video, how did that response make you feel?
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